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i am shannon bream the u.s. makes a major move of support as the war in ukraine nears one year. back home shocking video of a police and beating igniting calls for justice. ♪. shannon: and demonstrators take to the streets in multiple cities upset of the storable footing of a black man by police in memphis. the death of reopening wounds of similar killings across the country. we will have report from tennessee. then, they were on ukraine

intensifies as more russian shelling targets major cities killing civilians. the u.s. now promising ukraine new equipment has been pleading for prey. >> united states obesity sending 30 when abram tanks ukraine for. >> when they will arrive is still a big question. parks is going to take many months or for the tanks get their progress with saddam's republican congressman michael mccaul. democratic congressman adam smith's ranking member of the armed services committee to discuss u.s. help for ukraine as the war years the one-year mark. then. >> the administration's stonewalling congress on the classified documents for congressional republicans and democrats say they are in the dark on what exactly was in those classified documents discovered in biden's and trump's homes. "fox news sunday" legal panel will break down the fight between the d.o.j. and capitol hill over what was found and. mcdaniel elected his chairwoman

for her fourth consecutive term. we'll ask our sunday panel what it means for the gop's direction head into 2024. plus sent stafford to centaur my sit down with newly sworn in senator katie britt of alabama. all right now on "fox news sunday". hello from foxnews in washington. breaking this weekend there are new calls for justice. americans collectively take video of an appalling police encounter in memphis. it shows the brutal beating of 29-year-old tyre nichols at the hands of police for he later died from this injury spread law enforcement leaders all across the u.s. expressing outrage. and, there are new concerns this morning about the drawn out war and ukraine for the u.s. has agreed to send advanced tanks to the front lines. but it could take up to a year for them to actually get their party's got a lot to cover this

morning for a moment republican congressman michael mccaul and adam smith join us live to discuss. we began a team coverage this morning lucas tomlinson alive at the white house on the decision to ramp up military aid to ukraine in the timeline about actually getting there but first to charles watson live in memphis where the community is reeling. we should note, some of the images in his report are very troubling. hello charles prey. >> hey good morning shannon. five for memphis police officers are set to be arraigned on february 17 after being charged with second-degree murder in the death of 29-year-old tyre nichols. brutal body can video chat officer savaging beating nichols during the traffic stop in a moment we will show video of that confrontation. he went to warn viewers it is disturbing. but first we are now starting to hear from lawyers representing several of those officers, at least two of the attorneys say their clients will plead not guilty. attorney represents former

officer desmond mills junior says they are confident the questions of whether desmond crossed the line that others are crossing whether he committed the crimes charged will be answered with a resounding no. on the video shared by the city of memphis you see officers aggressively yank nichols from his car and tased him before their leaders seem remotely seek kicking, punching and pepper spraying nichols after he runs away from their initial encounter. it would take more than 20 minutes for nichols to receive medical attention as he sat bloodied less than 200 yards away from his mother's home where he had been calling on for help with a 29-year-old died three days later. >> for a mother to know that their child was calling them in their need and i wasn't there for him, do you know how i feel right now? because i was not there for my son?

>> nichols family has called for peaceful demonstrations. that is largely been the case as protesters take to the street here in memphis in cities around the country demanding justice for tyre. the district attorney announced charges 30 defense attorney phil holloway was not associated with this case says what happened is indefensible. >> these guys are going to prison. every one of them. they probably will spend the rest of their lives in prison. >> at least some of the officers were part of the memphis police department scorpion unit. that task force has been permanently deactivated. meantime a funeral service a separate nichols on wednesday with reverend al sharpton expected for eight eulogy. shannon: charles watson reporting from memphis, tennessee thank you very much for deep dive into the tape what happened next or legal panelist minutes away. let's go to lucas tomlinson at the white house hello lucas very quick shannon, president biden said he offered his condolences

directly to the nichols family and sense right now the image of america on the world stage is at stake. >> if i can give you a piece of advice. >> yes, sir. don't be afraid to ask for help progressive president also sang in a statement he is outraged and this is a reminder of the profound fear and trauma, the pain and the exhaustion that black and brown americans experience every single day. republican senator tim scott champion some police reforms called the attack bio. saying quote let it serve as a call to action for every lawmaker in our nation. fighting this week also making a move on ukraine. finally relenting to give them american abrams tanks. as russia's invasion of ukraine nears the one year mark, u.s. officials privately say neither side is winning british intelligence shows front lines have not significantly change in six months. the hope is u.s. tanks will help

ukraine to break through the front lines and miles of trenches by russian forces officials say official tanks will arrive for many months. others will send them sooner. the kremlin called the tanks a dangerous escalation. president biden says that's not true prey. >> is not and also have been a threat to russia. as a former general saying one year in are staggering. >> we were in there we are told ukraine has lost about 100,000 soldiers killed. that is massive. they probably up to 200,000. their frustum with the white house handling of classified information. former vice president mike pence says he found some islamist home in indiana tells boxes rich edson he takes full responsibility, shannon for.

>> lucas tomlinson from the white house thank you very much for joining is now chairman of the house foreign affairs committee congressman michael gentry. welcome back. >> thanks for having me. shannon: and want to start by the support u.s. top generals making a comment about a potential war with china in 2025, get your reaction to this but nbc is deciding a memo to his officers with this quote they say i hope i am wrong he says to them, my gut tells me it will fight in 2025 that's been met with a lot of different reactions, skepticism that this is attributed to the opinion of one man, what do you make of that? how do you think that's going to be received? >> i hope is wrong as well but i think he's right though unfortunately. >> in actual war? >> i think china's link it re- in the reunification of taiwan, that's how they call it. there are several ways to do that. the first one is to influence the election that will take place a year from today. sized party needing them hard the united states to go to war

with china. but they succeed in that effort like hong kong without a shot fired. but if they don't win in that one they are going to look at a military invasion in my judgment. we have to be prepared for this. and it could happen i think as long as biden is in office projecting weakness to putin invading ukraine the odds are very high. we see a conflict with china and taiwan and the endo pacific. this goes back to my father's war in world war ii. let's talk about ukraine these tanks any of you said this would be winter offensive by rush of the are needed in that region. this is what the pentagon said about what when they may actually get there. >> we just don't have these tanks available in access and u.s. stocks. which is why it is going to take months to transfer these abrams

to ukraine. >> there is another estimate says up to a year for them to get there it doesn't help ukraine in the short term and do you worry about what that telegraphs to bad actors like china but our ability to be ready? >> a better ukraine desiccants rush of the more deterrence it is very clear and important points. with respect to the tanks all its necessaries united states to get the signal we are going to do this. to unleash the leopard tanks in germany, and finland, in the netherlands. other countries that needed permission to put their tanks in. the leopards could be in tomorrow and today actually. the payment tanks need more logistics of flight training for the key was to commit abrams tanks to unleash the leopards for the leopards are going to go and almost immediately. what is important is putin has changed in general practically butcher out, new general while to an offense and in the win

winter/spring and now ukraine needs the resources to a counteroffensive against russia. >> 's about our ability to send them our men's raises a question about our military production. there's a new study sounding the alarm about that. that says the protracted conflict has exposed the strategic peril facing the u.s. as weapons inventory low level and defense companies are not equipped to her rapidly. this goes back to your issue with china as well the study says we can run out of precision missiles and examine technology in less than a year if we get into with taiwan that's a shocking assessment. you agree with it and how worried are you? >> the base is broken. i sign off on all foreign military weapons sales of three years ago they have yet to go into taiwan. we need the deterrence but if we don't have the weapons that is critical for deterrence.

i would say also one third of the supplemental is gone into our ability to replenish our stockpiles and modernize our defense. one third of that to make new weapons and one third into ukraine. it's important to know that nato has put in the russian military in ukraine as we backfill nato to modernize their military. shannon: assigned by the debts and the defense spending is a big chunk of that part of that conversation were going to talk with your colleague democrat congressman adam smith in just a minute. here's what he said about the gop plan for dealing with the debt ceiling. >> the real worry however is the approach the radical maga extremis in the republican conference want to take and the mccarthy's willing to go along with free which is to shut down the government. shannon: talks about not passing appropriations bills refusing to raise a desk debt ceiling. how do you respond? was i don't think we'll see a shutdown.

mccarthy's going to meet the president once a reasonable debt ceiling to counter irresponsible government spending. i agree with that in this sense that i will not sit back and watch our defense being cut at such a dangerous time in our history but i haven't seen anything like this, shannon since world war ii, my dad's war. you have one dictator, largest division in europe since world war ii. the other dictator threatening the pacific the greatest generation liberated and now these two are ron and north korea are trying to redraw the maps the conference brought to us. shannon: will talk more about congressman smith coming up i want to touch on the classified document former vice president pence as a nurse come forward and say hey we have discovered something for there is a briefing for senators to speak with the director of national intelligence. they came out in a bipartisan way very frustrated and angry about what they were able to see. here's her gop senator tom cotton said after the briefing.

>> until the administration stops stonewalling congress there be pain as a consequence. shannon: said his wound is set shutdown some senate with potential block. you think that's the right approach and what oversight of karma should have these documents? what's angry at tom cotton. we are a separate branch of government. article on the first article in the constitution in this is not sure these classified documents with the intelligence committee. i have access to those as well, i haven't seen anything. to put all this in the proper context for some i don't understand people taking classified documents home. i did that i would be pros prosecuted. having said that, where are the archivists are all of this question requires that he or she in the room when the president, vice president or packing their boxes up? how does this happen? more and partly the biden center $30 million from china at the time university of pennsylvania

biden's stood up i have a lot of questions i sent out letter to secretary blinken he was the manager of that. the government in exile the shadow government waiting. do they have access to these documents? what were in the documents? did they meet its foreign nation adversary actors from china? we don't know. that's a very serious allegation that i think the american people deserve to know what happened. shannon: let us know if you get answers we would like to know as well for chairman thank you for joining us again. appreciate your time for a quick thank you for having me. >> during that ranking member democrat adam smith. congressman welcome back to "fox news sunday". >> thank you. space i want to start again reserve the chairman on this issue of the u.s. in general stating we could be at war or in some type of conflict with china in 2025 you are the chairman savings as possible. >> i think is far as anything is possible. i'm really worried that whenever anyone starts talking about war

with china being inevitable. i want to be completely clear certainly not inevitable it's highly unlikely. we have a very dangerous situation in china everything need to be very cautious about saying we are going to war, it is inevitable. their job is to prepare for a wide range of eventualities. i don't think we should be out there telling the world were going toward china. most importantly because we are not. we have interest we have to be in a position to deter china. war is not inevitable to very dangerous situation we need to be prepared for. i'm fully confident we can avoid that conflict if we take the right approach. shannon: this administration's been very clear with the telegraph we are not in conflict directly with russian for their sin the kremlin this week sending of tanks and by the u.s. signals we are directly involved. i want to start something gop congressmen any banks tweeted about the tanks going braces setting 31 abrams tanks ukraine brings us closer to a major world war and puts american soldiers in harm's way. you can bet we will be sending american troops to ukraine to operate these tanks.

how worried are you about that possibility? >> punishment be accessed literally no idea what is talking about. there'll be no u.s. servicemen operating these tanks in ukr ukraine. that is fear mongering does not help us in terms of meeting our objectives in ukraine. don't u.s. service people are going to be in ukraine. i think president biden struck the right balance here. we're going to defend and support ukraine to the greatest extent possible to make sure ukraine continues to be a sovereign democratic state in russia is stopped in their ambition to overtake them. we are not going to have the u.s. or nato get in direct conflict with russia. that is going to continue to be the case were to going to provide these cranks and turn tanks ukraine print ukraine is going to operate that we are not i repeat not going towards russia. >> a word are you about our military supplies been depleted in our ability to turn this road but it's for ukraine, whether it's about a conflict potential with china or anywhere else in the world.

you heard that senate tabby could be out of very critical armaments within a week of a conflict with china, your thoughts? >> i completely agree chairman of the culprit this is a huge and probably do not have the industrial base we didn't have the ability to ramp up that industrial base. what industry will tell you it was the reason they don't have the ability to make as many weapons as we now need is because they don't want to make that major investment with that what they referred to a demand signal. without knowing we are going to buy them. and despite we heard this morning predicting conflict is more difficult than it looks for u.s. taxpayers do not spend a ton of money on weapons that we don't need. we need to increase that ability to search when we need it. which is desperately needs increase our manufacturing base for key weapon systems were that congressman mccall is absently right it's a huge priority for chairman rogers who is chairman of the armed services committee my partner on that is a huge

priority to increase the production capacity for all the reasons he relayed out. shannon: that ties into defense spending the debt ceiling you say the need to be robust conversations about how we are spending our money and how we handle this moving forward for the white house the president said absolutely zero negotiations for their when they clean about and that is it. this of the president said when he is vice president back in 2011 about people who won't negotiate over the debt ceiling. >> how you explain the fact that grown men and women are unwilling to budge up until now instill some of them are still unwilling to budge by taking an absolute position my way or no weight? that is not governing. that is no way to govern you cannot govern that way. shannon: that's not governing. so i essentially play this game now? it's a teacher in five or six months were out of options and blame the gop? here's the problem. hakeem jeffries a new minority leader on our side put this

quite well. the democrats position right now as we have incurred the debts. we have to raise the debt ceiling to pay those debts. we should not be negotiate whether or not we should pay her bills for that is our position you can argue with that we need a clear fiscal plan for the future as well. i would applaud an effort to get there. but what the republicans have not done this is what congressman jeffrey said so clearly, they have not put a plan on the table. okay, you don't like the idea roy teresa debt ceiling. we hear vague statements about how we need to cut spending. what needs to happen right after republicans don't want raise the debt ceiling without cutting spending and obviously don't to raise revenue, put a plan on the table. what are you going to cut? shannon: had even played in the table if you have an administration saying we won't discuss this with you in years ago they said that's not governing. >> that is not hard to put the plan on the table and then you do what you're doing right now, you say we have a plan you are refusing to talk about it.

right now the republicans don't have a plan. their plan as led by the extremist and their party's to complain about spending, not raise the debt ceiling but not actually offer a plan that says this is what we are going to cut. that is what needs to happen right now. if the republicans believe in this, give us an option and then we can argue about it. but right now they've not even put a plan on the table prodigious that they don't teresa debt ceiling. i guess i like some of plan on the table. there is that's what's not is true. shannon: the white house says no what is that mean? west democrats have a position our position is raise the debt ceiling pay the bills for that is our position were not going to negotiate with ourselves that's our position of the republicans want to put something on the table in saint this is what we want to cut, then we can have a conversation. but that is where we are at in the negotiation okay? we've got to see a plan or don't

having to negotiate about. shannon: quickly went to ask you served on the intel committee spent a lifetime dealing with classified documents. can you give us a sense for how you handle classified documents and do you see a scenario in which these ended up in people's homes and offices? >> first of all is an entirely different situation of the executive branch the legislative branch but how i handle classified information is i go to the classified information. go to his skiff, go to the pentagon, go to the white house i don't have any classified information because in congress, we have secure settings but they are not in our offices buried in the executive branch of classified information for number of different places but it has been handled poorly by multiple administrations. that much is clear ready to seriously look at how it is this information is got out in different places but hope we can avoid any partisanship on this because there is egg on everybody's face in the situation but we should look into how that document is got here. the specific argument cotton has

as a department is investigating and not sharing that information with congress but i don't agree with the blocking appointments to get this done but absolutely the justice department needs to share with the legislative branch coequal branch of government they need to show us what they got out of mar-a-lago, out of prison by an out of vice president pence. they need to show susan document so we can better informed and this process no question about that. >> bipartisan push back the idea that they cannot share these documents that is clearly a fight between the two branches. congressman smith thank you for speaking to us and being with us this morning appreciate your time. >> thank you shannon for shake the chance for. >> up the next five fired memphis police offers have been charge of the murder of a tyre nichols for a new body camera footage is out there it's been released it shows a horrific arrest. we're going to bring a panel of legal experts what happens next consider multiple investigationo

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♪ ♪. shannon: city of memphis in the nation coming to grips with video showing five now former police officers severely beating tyre nichols. investigators are still figuring out exactly how this whole thing unfolded. right now those five officers have been fired and charged with second-degree murder. and other charges for the kate has sparked investigations into police brutality. went to bring a deeper discussion about the legal process that is underway rejoining a former principal deputy assistant attorney general tom debris george washington law professor charlie former d.c. police detective ted williams who is an attorney as well be thinkable for being here with us.

when you start this "washington post" had a piece yesterday and getting the police under civilian control and not killing people may require drastically reducing the number officers and other powers while crating entirely new public safety agencies led by non- cops to replace existing police departments, ted you understand all different sides of this, what is your reaction? some somewhat opposed to what the washington post is wanting to put in place. i believe that long officers quite natural should be the right and proper thing. i think this should be under the control of law enforcement. and when you look at what happened in memphis, tennessee it is the exception and not the norm. you have a lot of good men and women throughout this country who serve in law enforcement. they go out there every day and protect the citizens in their community. i am somewhat opposed to that to

be honest with you, shannon. >> we have state investigation federal investigation for jonathan to the federal investigation is a civil rights part of it may be premature at this point, explain. >> it is premature. this is not uncommon to see officers lose control unfortunately in a physical confrontation. the most likely explanation this is a lack of training and a loss of control. but, the administration decide they want to watch a civil rights investigation we saw the same thing happened in trade on death i raised the same questions they are. when you create a civil rights investigation it can complicate things for people there's a long road you wait for the state investigation prosecution to be finished and then you launch your federal side. in trade on margin in 2015 they just quietly ended that investigation.

blessings of civil rights investigation are some positive aspects you take it seriously. it can also amplify to believe this was caused by racism. you fulfill that narrative. it is not clear that is the case here. looks like a bunch of officers who lost control with no supervision it seems like precious little training. shannon: in your time spent this late in the bottom line the excessive force is what this was for the talk to policing experts asa even mr. nichols was lying on the ground none of the officers attempted to help them which is a violation of the duty to render aid. those with a whole series of tapes is horrific. but watching their being propped up on a car after he has been beaten waiting for medical care, not getting it. we are told there could be more charges potential for these officers and other people involved in that response. >> shannon i think that's right for what we saw unfold on that but he was a total loss of

humanity. so difficult to watch as minutes unfold on that video. that is right there so many people involved in this whole situation. the initial officers that were involved in pulling over at mr. nichols. but also people who responded. as a city of memphis and safari have to sam impressed with the way they handled this. they moved quickly, they move decisively. a broader net in cass city and local law enforcement looks at everyone who played a role in this horrible scenario. where there different things people could have done? could other responders have done more? this is an important turning point the charges and brought against the officers but be surprised if ultimately doesn't cast a broader net and include other people involved in the situation. shannon: because of your d.o.j. expertise i went to ask your question of classified documents as well. there are two special counsel investigations going on former president trump thomas current president biden were at the end of these investigations by

special counsel how much difference as the attorney general give to those recommendations does he have autonomy with regard to any prosecutorial recommendations customer how does that work? are screwed question the end of the day will be the attorney general's call each of the special counsel was presumably going to present some sort of recommendation to the attorney general. maybe less certain in regard to investigation to biden shows justice department policy to not indict a sitting president. nonetheless it's ultimately going to be merrick garland's decision on how he was to perceive it is not required to accept the recommendation of special counsel but if he disagrees or do something different that will serve the open him up to a lot of public second-guessing and questioning as wait a minute he appointed these special counsel's precisely entrusted their judgment you trust them to get to the bottom yet they are defying the recommendation. sogeti can reject the recommendation comes with a lot of political risk. shannon: political risk. let's talk about politics another vein this georgia grand jury essentially looked into

allegations former president trump or alice of his tried to attempt to influence election results as they came out down there. now this report is done for the judge held a hearing this week to talk about whether or not they are actually going to get to release it. there argus by the fulton county attorney she said during the hearing for future defendants to be treated fairly it's not appropriate at this time to cap this report released. decisions are imminent. ted, it sounds like people could potentially be charged in connection with this? >> shannon i believe fulton county d.a. i think there are going to be charges that are going to be brought. i think what we need to look out announcing probably a precursor to these charges will be if in fact all the sudden you see the national guard out there producing more law enforcement

officers because i think the any willis has it in mind charges are imminent. she has use that over and over the word imminent. i do believe charges are going to be coming down. and there is a great possibility if i was donald trump i might not sleep in and be very, very concerned as to weather is going to be charged in the state of georgia. i have always believed if there were going to be charges brought first is not going to be on the federal level with it would in fact to be in georgia. i anticipate something happening very soon. >> we think jonathan? >> i don't think this to be a sleep deprivation moment. this is still a relatively weak case if it is based largely on that phone call work former president trump says all i need is to redefine this number of votes. you can do that in very different ways but from trump's perspective is trying to say there doesn't take many votes

for the election to be overturned not go make up those votes. not reasonable people can disagree with that but that's the point of reasonable doubt. the interesting thing is with the classified documents prosecution is losing a bit of steam as you have more people being accused of this. we certainly have a diminishing jury pool in washington d.c. many people are putting all their money on georgia. they should be careful what they ask for pretty clearly of seven was her indict the former president, i understand that. but this could collapse in court. it could collapse before the 2024 election pretty could end up validating donald trump. so there are risks on both sides progress we do stand by to see if that report is released and if charges are indeed eminence. gentlemen thank you for your time today appreciate it. up next this week rnc chairwoman won another term despite complaints of her party underperforming a midterm spring former president trump takes aim with this his own party prilosec number 78 manual next on

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i heard a member to say to the commentator earlier today i don't care at those small donors think they're not voting here today. believe me i do care inserted this people supporting in that room. shannon: a blessing republican insiders she said are ignoring the rank-and-file voters they need to win elections. i'm not for arsenic of usa today washington bureau chief susan page. former bush white house advisor karl rove. fox news analyst juan williams executive chairman of stride asset management welcome to all of you. okay, this how the ap put it after that decisive vote on the rnc. republicans can rot bitter divide. to capitol hill to the luxury southern california hotel, more rnc gathered our aunts and how

to reverse six years of election disappointments, carl. >> known candidate to get the presidency and better. i solved everything. >> there is no easy answer for the publican party has to confront the fact to re-examine how it conducts campaigns and not recruits candidates and half strength and weaknesses are and act accordingly. not half off his shoulders and went individual for the thought to be from the leadership of the party at the national level, state level and local level need to step up their game. >> meet on former president trump is only officially known canada for 24 is minute to critical states yesterday per his little what he said about now officially getting the campaign going. >> they said he is not doing rallies. it's not. maybe he is a loss that step or angry now than he ever was.

space going on than carl's very happy about that from president trump says it into wind and. with the music carl is one 100% right the box republicans find themselves in it when you see that selection of a new chair or reelection of the incumbent because the parties divided between the maga trump base and more moderate establishment republicans. ronna is going to underscore that service how to produce a candidate that can win. i don't know if trump was a good bet to be that candidate for you to new hampshire, south car carolina, last time you got about 30% of the vote in south carolina. but it got him one 100% of the delegates. think this time we are seeing him pursue a very clear strategy where do i go to get the delegates? it's a little different and not as much of the rallies to his point. we see him now engaging with the republican party delegates. shannon: is is a bigger rallies

are coming pretty in the polling he is ahead of the other gop candidates, nobody is officially announced yet. he seemed to take a swipe at one of them. did not close their state of florida it was closed for a long period of time. they're trying to rewrite history. susan sounds like a very specific swipe at a very specific person. >> who was more afraid of covid? strike me as someone who will resonate with the republican looking into the next presidential debate. we should note ronna it's a very solid victory in the secret ballot election. that is notable. it's also notable and more than 50 other members of the rnc. a body that is redefined by donald trump not backing the canada perceived as being his choice. clearly you have got trump supporters are quite willing to look at other contenders for the

presidency. shannon: and what he think that since it's a bit a race some think the chairwoman had anticipated there would be. >> inc. the republican party set a complicated place. we have obsessed over the question of the who, as it ronna mcdaniel is that kevin mccarthy, isn't donald trump? is it someone else? with that as the question of what. what enchanted to actually stand for and the why? why do we stand for that agenda? i optimistically see a historic opportunity for the gop right now to answer the question of what are they shared american values that bind us together? we lack american shared identity right now but it's an opportunity for the gop. i worry we squandered by over these biographical sent defined the what. once we do that the question of the who falls out and that pelosi president, school board, chair of the rnc. that is the missing work the conservative movement to graduate from the person to the agenda think the next cycles can

be very successful progress when the agenda items is the idea of freedom of choice with education. i went this week signed a new legislation quickly passed and signed by the governor there. they're referring to arizona's will have universal school choice and yours could be next i'll education savings account or esa program will provide parents with approximate $7600 annually to allocate toward approved educational avenues. is that when the places republicans can start these conversations? >> this the next generation of americans. he talked about the national this is a next generation showing all the known benefits of school choice one is surprising. you get greater >> pride in cases in states where students are able to opt out of the public schools with number one opponent by the way our teachers unions were that leads to the next frontier of this debate. they say public schools can't keep up. public schools can compete if we are able to take out those teachers unions sprang up states like arizona and i would think

of to the next step of actually saying these are public employees, teachers in public schools should not be able to unionize the way they have. >> that is the argument that people say are trying to drain money from public schools. i'm a big public school choice supporting myself. but when you think about it there is a drain and confidence in public schools in this country. i think it's like 10% of republicans. only about 50% of democrats have confidence in public schools. there is a need for innovation and education but we can all agree there's lots of arguments about closures regarding the pandemic. but in arizona for example progress a new governor was to do this or at least limit it. >> it's less about education innovation a place like arizona bennett is about getting public monies to go into parochial schools, evangelicals or be to get backers of this. i need to private schools. write up like 80% people apply for this many errors that are are people who don't have children in public schools.

i think for a lot of people to training money from the biggest source of education for american children, public schools i think that is dangerous. >> to public schools need competition premier in the district of columbus the capitol of the nine states of america and half the kids who enter schools in d.c. do not graduate from high school. that is an embarrassment for our country. what they're doing in arizona, i don't care with the delivery system is. i am a product of public schools because their good public schools. but if they are failing our kids have got to rescue her kids and give them options. public school choice is a way to get that done. shannon: he got so that their panel thank you for mitchell's see you next week for cap next some of the youngest women ever elected senator and she is stilled by the way getting mistaken for a staffer in capitol here perchance remind them who she is my sit down with them who she is my sit down with now senator katie britt is up next.

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newly sworn in alabama senator katie britt's second youngest women to serve in the chamber. do not expect it may be. britt was longtime staffer having served as chief of staff to the manchin is now replacing but i sat down sender britt on her goals, what it's like to make the move enter new role navigate another tricky divide. achievement a staffer on the hill. so that you know washington you know these buildings. what is the difference of walking in with your bad's of staff now you are the senator. >> to have been year as an intern and now to come back and my name be on the door, the gravity of that is pretty remarkable.

to have had the opportunity to have learned and have a vineyard comment to met people build relationships, see things work and many times not making better and stronger. it's an honor of a lifetime. >> replacing some of his many for decades he worked for him is very well established britt what is that experience like? because i think we are seeing across the nation people are ready for new blood. so coming in here realizing the reality the earth achieved many of us from night generation that are here. the responsibility that carries because there are parents and hard-working americans that are our age all across the nation that once a voice. shannon: in the midst of the chef school age children for it how you manage home and family? do you think that's a fair question for female lawmakers should be asking that of

everyone who have school age kids? >> i do think we asked them where female lawmakers than we do men. but you know, one of the things we look at is i think about the sacrifice of so many people across our nation. since this is a sacrifice obviously for our family to be away but it pales in comparison to that of our servicemen and women who are gone overseas and many times for months on end. some of them never having the opportunity to return home. think about people pulling 12 hour shifts people working two jobs to make ends meet for their children and be able to provide for it what it puts in perspective is everybody across this country has a story. everybody is giving it their all to make things work. one of things we haven't committed to his face timing we actually had dinner at vfa's time this week. my daughter and i are doing a daily devotion together. during that during facetime. being able to talk about that. talk about her day. look at scripture reading and be

able to be that hands on parents even though some of that is having to be done virtually. shannon: which saved two other people from your generation who look at something like this and think i could not be a senator or this is overwhelming how would i tackle this? what would you say to them about whatever their issues are are causes and went to champion about getting involved in this process? >> i would say we need to promote school boards are the united states senate you see people for my generation saying it is time. it is time for us to do our part. it's time for us to contribute spirit is time for us to be a part of the solution. and so i would say number one we need too. and number two, be unafraid to fail. when i got in this race of people said there is no way that we can make this happen. and if you looked at the num numbers, you would think they coded to be wrong. but, hard work, passion, energy makes a difference.

and god's plan is greater than anything we have in front of us. shannon: you get mistaken sell for the staffer? works over the course of the last few weeks almost every time i've been stopped and said medium mass your badge? people say senator. they're talking about me. and i know how divide the state is when it comes to college football. is that a tougher chasm to navigate first r&d? >> very first week i was on the campaign i had somebody walk up to me and say i am so glad that you are running. we are finally going to have both political parties in the state of alabama represented. while the former albert football coach and the wife of an alabama football player. and as a student body president

of alabama ended up having to sing the auburn fight song at an alabama/basketball game because we lost. we lost a bet and my dad called me and set you better sing every single word about rates. that was not the tradition typically there make up new words. learn every word of it, seeing every word of it. and ironically the coach she was there to beat us was coach atop her veil. there's a photo of me singing every word of to say life goes full circle certainly does regards everyone is represented. what we leave as a legacy here poster hope for serving here it's important time in this history are people willing to have tough conversations they can make toughest decision so we

can face our challenges head on. i know in doing that you have to build relationships because nothing is done by one single person or alone. so building that was based on trust and respect is critically important. so i hope that people will see me as one of those people that to our conversation earlier's working each and every day to move the ball down the field so the people of the nation and the state will be better as a result of my service. shannon: speaker for the football bets. cap next the final word we will be right back. or a lobster newbie, there's something for everyone. try one of six dishes, like new lobster and shrimp tacos for $17.99. and leave completely lobsessed. welcome to fun dining.

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